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Re: ATC with JOINFS (Please Read Again!)

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:58 pm
by ATC Roo
Thanks Peter.
I look forward to testing it.

Re: ATC with JOINFS (Please Read Again!)

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:49 pm
by AndyKing
So if I understand this correctly ATC is only able through FSX and NOT P3D ?

Is there or will there be an 'add-on' specifically as an ATC program, like 'ATC Rader Screen' originally produced by Manuel Ambulo

Re: ATC with JOINFS (Please Read Again!)

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:58 pm
by Peter
Hi Andy,

I have not seen any reports that indicate ATC Mode will not work in P3D. Unfortunately I don't own P3D and so am unable to confirm. I can't see any reason why it shouldn't work. All you need to do is go to JoinFS settings and enable ATC Mode. Then see which of your existing radar software, including the default radar (which definitely works in FSX) shows the aircraft listed in the JoinFS aircraft list.

Best regards,

Re: ATC with JOINFS (Please Read Again!)

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:08 am
by AndyKing
OK, so after re-installing FSX to see JoinFS ATC for myself I have discovered that only Acceleration has the 'Tower' mode so JoinFS ATC presumably only available in that version, as for P3D well it does not have a tower mode or am I not looking for the right thing.

So my question is will there be an 'add-on' to JoinFS that will act as a seperate stand alone ATC 'Module' if you like.

I am interested in this as I have a very clunky ATC suite that feeds off of an FSHost server written in PHP/MySQL where it pulls the info from an XML file that FSHost outputs, like I said very clunky and could do with re-programming in VB or CC+ but thats out of my area of understanding.

But I am happy to look at this sort of thing with programmers, I also note the question has also been raised about the 'Map Feature' on websites, again it is possible to do with FSHost but the coding would need re-engineering to suit JoinFS.

Here is an example map produced by FSHost:


Re: ATC with JOINFS (Please Read Again!)

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:32 am
by Peter
I believe that other radar add-ons, and GPS add-ons will show JoinFS aircraft reasonably well.

I'm still not clear what you mean by an add-on for JoinFS. What exactly is it that you would like it to do?

The data file support that I'll be doing for the map feature that you mentioned may well be what you're after. I'm going to try using the whazzup file format which means that existing map plug-ins that use that format should work without modification. I can, of course, generate alternative formats if that would help avoid any re-coding on the server side.


Re: ATC with JOINFS (Please Read Again!)

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:49 am
by AndyKing
Hi Peter, sorry I really seem to be confusing the issue here.
OK, I will ask the guys that use 'ATC Radar Screen' to test.

Maybe 'add-on' is the wrong thing to call it... probably better to show you what I have done so you can see the application idea, PM me if interested.

I am not familiar with Whazzup, is it even still available ?

Re: ATC with JOINFS (Please Read Again!)

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:19 pm
by Peter
I doubt I'll be doing any ATC specific utilities as that's sort of outside the scope of JoinFS. However, I am definitely interested in ensuring that existing/new ATC add-ons are able to work alongside JoinFS. That's why I added the ATC Mode and will be adding support for server interaction via a data file.

As far as I've been made aware, Whazzup is simply a file format. So plug-ins and server code that are able to read it, will automatically be able to display information from a server running JoinFS.


Re: ATC with JOINFS (Please Read Again!)

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:47 pm
by ATC Roo
In an ideal world it would be nice if Euroscope could work with JoinFS.
Maybe a Euroscope addon could be created that shows all aircraft in a users Simulator or an interface to connect directly to a join fs node (maybe one for a dev with no project)?

Realistically there are radar programs out there already that will show any aircraft in your sim on a radar screen.

So if your sim is connected to JoinFS the radar addons will show the aircraft.

I have found using the default FSX radar to be the easiest way and have not yet tested anything else.

Have a look at flightsim commander as that should work and I have a radar display which installs as an aircraft which you select as you would any other aircraft.

I'll test this when I get chance and post a link to it.

On a slightly different note if Peter does create a whazzup type file for map apps this may also be able to be used with Euroscope, as Eurocope can be configured to use any whazzup file hosted anywhere.
The problem I see with this is that it would need to be hosted on somekind of webserver to be available publicly and the constant reading of the file would probably cause issues with Web hosts.
Could JoinFS host it?
Depending on how fast it updates (VATSIM use a 5 second delay AFAIK) it might also be able to be used to control with, although gaining data direct from the JoinFS interface would be better.

Re: ATC with JOINFS (Please Read Again!)

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:38 pm
by Peter
That's a good point, Roo, I'm fairly sure I can get JoinFS to respond to http requests and so provide an interface that way.


Re: ATC with JOINFS (Please Read Again!)

Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:02 pm
by spokes2112
Hi all,

Since downloading JoinFS I have been carousing the forums to stay in the loop and came across this post. A shameless plug here but have you tried using this upload - It's basically the stock control tower turned into a non-visible/non-flyable aircraft therefore able to select where you would want to be using the stock "select aircraft" and "select airport" dialogs. It is slewable for a good vantage point and has an external program to adjust the height of the tower.

Currently working on an upgrade w/ these features -
1. The saving of radar settings (zoom/modes etc..) from previous session. (Doug Dawson gauge)
2. (maybe) The saving of the opened windows based on the previous session. (without using a saved flight, Doug Dawson gauge)
3. Removal of all stock effects so when slewing at an airport other MP players won't see you. Scrapes, dust etc..
4. An alternate mode for the "Session Info" window where the upper traffic list is forced to show atc_id rather than airline/flight # if provided. That way if on a JoinFS session the pilot nickname is forcibly shown. Other ATC helper info provided in this mode. (Mode is togglable)
5. Other small things.